Bonus Per La Roulette Europea/francese A Confronto

[bmare]

Ciao a tutti, ho pensato di iniziare questo thread per raccogliere, discutere e confrontare costruttivamente i vari bonus con deposito per roulette europea/francese disponibili in circolazione (.com e non) per valutare quali siano i più interessanti e dalle potenzialità migliori, visti anche sotto l'ottica dei prelievi, servizio assistenza e di tutti quegli aspetti che possono invogliare a fare un deposito.

Comincio con Grand Parker Casino.

Caso vuole che dopo parecchi no deposit giocati alle slot (occhio che se ne può giocare solo uno tra un deposito e l'altro di almeno 60$) proprio oggi abbia proprio avuto un dialogo interessante con l'assistente in chat che mi ha fatto confrontare i bonus per roulette offerti da Play2Win (che non cito per esteso per assurdità di condizioni).

Ecco uno stralcio della chat (in grassetto tra parentesi quadra miei commenti a chat finita) :

Please wait for a site operator to respond.

You are now chatting with 'John'

you: do u have bonuses that can be played on roulette table?

John: Yes I can offer you 100% bonus on top of your deposit

you: external bets on roulette are admitted?

John: What do you mean?

you: can i bet to Red or Black?

John: Yes you can

you: they are called external bets

you:

John: but not with progressive way

you: yes of course

John: it is out side bet in our casino

you: what is the highest bet on a single number?

John: it depends on the game max is $250 total bet on the table

John: $250 out side and $250 inside

you: i mean on single number only (minimum/maximum)

you: usally it is 1-100€

you: usually

John: Just a moment, please. Thank you.

you: thanks

[passano 5 minuti]

John: MIn. is $1

John: Max is $250 for american roulette

you: for european?

John: MIN. $1

John: Max. is $75

you: what's the wagering requirement?

John: 60 times of your balance [con un deposito di 100€=200x60=12.000€]

you: deposit+bonus?

John: Yes you are correct

you: max cashout?

John: There is no max cash out , only bonus amount would be deducted

you: if i play without bonus do i have a cashback on the first deposit?

you: on roulette of course

John: Yes it would be 100% back free chip up to $100

you: the free chip can be played to roulette too?

John: YEs

you: which wagering req on free chip?

John: if you want it for roulette you will get it for roulette

John: 60times

John: of your balance

you: how long does cashout take with skrill?

John: Usually it takes up to 10 business days

John: for the whole withdrawal procedure

you: if i use skrill do you require documents before processing cashout?

John: Yes

John: For security purposes, Grand Parker requires its players to verify their identities in order to withdraw. You will first need to fill out the Grand Parker Faxback form.

John: You will also need to attach a copy of your photo ID, two utility bill copies OR official document containing your full name at your address and a copy of the credit card that you have used to deposit with.

John: You may find the faxback form by following the link: http://www.grandparker.com/faxback.pdf

John: Please, send these documents to [email protected]

you: i don't have utility bills on my name, is it enough a bank statement to prove the address?

John: Yes bank statement is ok

you: thanks for infos, i will think about your offer

you: have a nice day John

John: Have a great day

John: Can I assist you with anything else at this time?

Cercate di perdonare il mio inglese poco più che scolastico e limitarvi alla sostanza.

Personalmente una forbice 1-75€ sul pieno non è alta ma non è nemmeno tra le più basse in circolazione.

Ritengo l'offerta interessante ma penso vada confrontata con molte altre prima di stilare una classifica.

Ogni contributo è ovviamente più che gradito.

[bmare]

you: can i bet to Red or Black?

John: Yes you can

you: they are called external bets

you:

John: but not with progressive way

Ripensando al bonus di Grand Parker, torno in chat per sviscerare alcuni aspetti poco chiari che a mente fredda sono venuti a galla.

Riporto la chat per chiarezza, questa volta con Mike:

Please wait for a site operator to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Mike'

You: I'm evaluating your roulette bonuses. I'd like to know if there is a time limit to reach the wagering requirement?

Mike: Bonus for roulette has 100% and 60x playthrough

Mike: Every time you place a bet, whether you win or lose, the playthrough is lowered. Once the playthrough reaches 0, then you are able to withdraw your winnings. You can check your playthrough at the cashier under the coupon details tab.

You: do i have a time limit to complete the wagering?

Mike: there is no time limit, only playthrough amount

You: so i can play for weeks or months until the balance go to zero, correct?

Mike: Correct. Once the playthrough reaches 0, then you are able to withdraw your winnings.

You: last time John, your collegue, told me that betting on outside bets in a progressive way is not admitted, can you explain better what does it mean for Grand Parker "progressive way"?

Mike: Please check terms and conditions of the game under the help button

You: i've just looked, there is nothing written about "progressive way"

Mike: Unfortunately I do not have this kind of information

You: how can i get it?

You: can you ask it to John and send me an email about it?

Mike: Any strategies playing roulette will avoid to withdraw your winnings

Mike: Sure, i`ll notify John

You: It's quite impossible to understand a strategy from player bets, only the simple double-bet could be easily understood. How do you check it?

Mike: Our system can check that

You: and in case you check that do you explain the discovered strategy to the player too?

Mike: In that case you will receive an e-mail from the relevant department

you: Does it happen frequently?

Mike: Unfortunately I do not have access to that relevant department

you: thanks for your sincere help Mike, have a good day

Non credo che John mi scriverà per spiegarmi bene il loro concetto di progressione vietata.

A questo punto l'interesse iniziale per Grand Parker (e gli altri casinò del gruppo) è scomparso completamente!

Non vorrei generalizzare troppo ma limitatamente alla roulette (con o senza bonus) penso che i casinò aams in questo si distinguano, alla peggio bloccano il conto per 6 mesi come Intralot, ma poi incasso. Qui sembra tutto aleatorio, o peggio predatorio.

Il casinò aams dove sto giocando attualmente ieri mi ha pure dato un piccolo bonus, nonostante saldo e deposito abbiano già raggiunto una sproporzione notevole (a favore del primo). Probabilmente le mie vincite, ancora modeste, si perdono nella loro vastissima contabilità.

Essendo ottimista per natura proverò in ogni caso a porre domande analoghe ad altri .com per vedere se le cose migliorano e se ci sono isole felici dove poter giocare alla roulette serenamente.

Modificato: 8 gennaio 2014 da bmare

[bmare]

Ho intervistato ieri sera in chat un paio di casino, Slotocash e Winpalace.

Slotocash:

07:59:24 You: do you have bonuses playable on european roulette

08:00:00 Eva: This game you can play only with your deposit

08:00:26 You: so no bonuses, correct?

08:00:59 Eva: Yes

08:01:28 You: if i play with my deposit at european roulette, is there a max cashout?

08:02:30 Eva: No

08:02:46 Eva: If you don't claim a bonus you have no limits for the bet or for the cashout

08:03:15 You: can you tell me how much can i bet maximum on a single number at european roulette?

08:03:43 Eva: Will have to check this

08:03:47 Eva: Allow me a moment

08:03:56 You: thanks

08:06:26 Eva: I see the maximum set to $250

08:06:41 Eva: But I cannot tell you if you will be able to put that on a single number

08:06:50 Eva: Unfortunately we cannot test the game for real money

08:07:09 Franco: i think that 250 is the table maximum for outside bets

08:07:19 Eva: So I can advise to the game and click there on Help

08:07:48 You: is it possible to test it in fun mode?

08:08:46 Eva: Let me see that

08:10:01 Eva: Yes is possible

08:10:10 Eva: And I think the max for a number is $225

08:10:16 Eva: You can also check to make sure

08:10:24 Eva: Sorry I'm just not so into Roultte

08:10:33 You: in european roulette in real mode it's written

08:10:42 You: inside bets: 100€

08:10:58 You: inside bets mean single number

08:11:14 You: it's ok, thanks for help

08:11:49 You: how long does it take a withdrawal to be processed?

08:12:13 Eva: It takes 72 working hours

08:12:48 You: I've changed my address recently how can i update it?

08:13:57 Eva: Please send us a recent utility bill with your new address and we will take care of this

08:14:40 You: I've not any bills now on my name, can i send a bank statement?

08:15:30 Eva: Sure

08:15:49 You: is there any cashback if i play at roulette?

08:17:06 Eva: Yes once you deposit with no bonus attached you cab request the cashback after on busted deposit

08:17:46 You: so if i deposit 100€ and i loose them, how much is the cashback bonus?

08:18:14 Eva: Is 25% and that will be $25 bonus from $100 deposit

08:18:25 Eva: In weekends you can get 35% on your deposit

08:18:54 You: this 25/35% bonus can be played to roulette too?

08:19:35 Eva: Unfortunately no

08:20:16 You: only slots i presume, which wagering requirement and max cashout on this cashback bonus?

08:21:13 Eva: Not only slots

08:21:25 Eva: The bonus has 10X wagering and no maximum cash out

08:22:29 You: after deposit is there a time limit before applying for a cashout?

08:22:52 Eva: For the cashback bonus the bet limit is $6.5

08:23:40 You: so if i deposit today 100€ i could play for weeks or months until the balance go to zero, correct?

08:24:10 Eva: Yes

08:24:27 You: thanks for info and patience

08:24:33 You: have a good day

Con Winpalace invece arrivano a passarmi il manager così vado più a fondo nell'inferno dei loro t&c e provo ad aprire il vaso di Pandora:

You: can i talk with Brandon? [il timeout cortissimo del client fa chiudere la chat, questa era la terza volta..]

Charlie: Hi:) he has just stepped out may I help you?

You: it's a long question about roulette

Charlie: ok:) what is it?

You: i've asked brandon if i can play my private strategies on inside bets and if it's agains your t&c

Charlie: Just a moment please.

Charlie: Yes this against our terms and conditions.

You: brandon say differently

You: he said about external bets, i was trying to explain him which kind of bets i'd like to place before the chat break

You: i don't want to make any strategy on external bets [brandon mi aveva detto che erano vietate strategie progressive sulle chance semplici]

You: i'm interested on insdie bets only

Charlie: Just a moment please.

You: inside bets only

You: for ex. if i bet a single number in that way: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8 is it forbidden from your t&c?

Charlie: Just a moment please.

You: every real casino could accept my bets, i suppose you too [brandon sosteneva che quello che non si può fare in un casinò vero non si può fare nemmeno nel Winpalace]

Charlie: Just a moment ,I'm checking that for you.

You: thanks

Charlie: Your patience is appreciated, I will be with you shortly.

Charlie: Please go onto our website and read the terms and conditions section 19.

You: there is not written if it's forbidden to play in that way

You: if your roulette is random, what do you fear?

Please wait while I transfer the chat to 'Manager1'.

You are now chatting with 'Manager1'

Manager1: Hello Franco

Manager1: how are you ?

You: hello, fine

You: can you help to solve my question?

Manager1: yes , the answer is really simple

Manager1: have you read section 19 and 20 on the terms and conditions ?

You: yes

You: i don't use a bot to play, i play only manually

Manager1: keep on reading

You: i've read

You: "Also any system used to circumvent the natural randomness of our systems and or collection of data to or from the gaming server for analysis purposes during real money play".

You: do you mean that?

You: how can i circumvent a software?

You: i simply play my own strategy like every roulette player on earth

Manager1: is it possible that the way you described how you are going to play might be considered as "If a player has not played at the Casino on an individual basis for personal entertainment only (that is, has played in a professional sense or together with other player(s) as part of a club, group, etc.); "

You: well, i'm not a group, i'm a single man, and i play to win of course

Manager1: is it possible that the way you described how you are going to play might be considered as "If a player has not played at the Casino on an individual basis for personal entertainment only (that is, has played in a professional sense"

You: win and entertainment can be connected but mainly i play to win, like every brainy player, i suppose

You: if i risk my money on your software i expect to win not to have fun only

You: completing a wagering requires a long playing so if i complete is there a risk to be considered professional?

You: maybe i can be considered smart and lucky, because random is random and nobody has been still solved how to beat roulette [piccola bugia ]

You: if i play without a bonus do i have the same risk?

Manager1: we can go like this for hours, but I have an idea, since all the issues you just referred to are being reviewed by a different department and I'm dont have all the information that they have, I recommend that you try for your self while you are taking into account that what you are doing nught be counted as one of the above, the fact that you are asking it is indicating that you are aware that the way you are going to play might be a problem, by the way - gambling is not a sure thing, you take a chance just like us, we offer a player to win big sums of money with a small amount of risk, if it was a sure thing I'm guessing no one would have opened a casino.

You: thanks for reply, i see that it's a matter of point of view even if you forget that roulette has by itself 2,7% house edge that matematically grants you wins in the middle-long term even if i win a lot. It should be enough, like in the real casinos, but seems that you pretend more from your players (more than the house edge).

You: or am i wrong?

You: when i tell "you" i mean Winpalace of course

You: i thank you for your time of course

Manager1: the answer that you just gave might be a big indicator that profesional suits you well

You: it's a simple knowledge that every roulette player need if he wants to win something

Manager1: some of them just believe in luck

You: i think that you use the word "professional" as the opposit of "dumb"

Manager1: actually I aimed to something with mathematical thinking, but I dont want to waste your time

You: of course it's a matter of point of view and i respect your view

You: thanks for conversation

You: have a good lucky day

Manager1: Thank you

Manager1: you too

Penso che si commenti da se. Non pensavo di arrivare a scrivere che inizio a essere contento che ci sia aams...

La ricerca negli abissi dei casinò comunque continua.

Modificato: 9 gennaio 2014 da bmare

[bmare]

A proposito di Adameve (ci ho giocato un paio di bonus), proprio oggi leggo questa agghiacciante recensione su Askgamblers:

"Very bad place to play if you like to win, because as long as you lose they are nice and helpfull, but as soon as you win they will try every sneaky trick to avoid paying you. They stole over 2000euro from me because i played roulette with my own money and i didnt used any kind of bonus.
Too bad you "placed straight bets on roulette" and thats irregular betting in adamevecasinos eyes, so goodbye 2000euro....
Stay away!"

Straight bets dovrebbe significare puntate raddoppiate/in progressione.

Non li ritenevo capaci di arrivare a tanto, buono a sapersi perchè un pensierino di fare la stessa cosa l'avevo avuto anche io.

Fino a fine dicembre avevano anche un bonus per roulette da 10000% con un deposito di 20€ si poteva giocare con 2020€ (pt 60x se ricordo bene), l'unico problema che mi aveva frenato era che il tempo a disposizione era di una sola settimana. Questo giocatore ha tagliato la testa al toro, e questi hanno reagito proprio male..

Modificato: 13 gennaio 2014 da bmare

[tonino]

Di chi sarà colpa? di Adam o di Eve?

nel dubbio è meglio Lilith

[bmare]

Di chi sarà colpa? di Adam o di Eve?

nel dubbio è meglio Lilith

Quando deve sganciare probabilmente torna allo stadio evolutivo di ermafrodito.

Segnalo che il gruppo è piuttosto esteso, nella parrocchia rientrano anche Heavychips e Grandwild.